Read + Write + Report
Home | Start a blog | About Orble | FAQ | Blogs | Writers | My Orble | Login

Chatterpillar - Metamorphosis come on!!

 
Big Cat lives in Sydney (Nthn). Originally he was a news writer. Then he focused on entertainment. Now his articles are on good news. This is about transformation. Metamorphosis come on!! Spiritually.
CRJ President, Hank Hanegraaff

If priests, pastors, preachers, etc, dismiss this principle, tell them about these new findings of a respected evangelical research journal that used to oppose it.

The First Century bible principle is that Christians should meet simply on the basis of locality, which is all-inclusive, not based on organizations divisive by denomination.

Christian Research Journal December 2009 issue admits to decades of wrongly opposing this. Only a year ago, they and about 70 other denomination-based leaders co-signed an open letter calling on all local church people to cease from preaching these matters to denominational Christians.

After decades of being part of the organized opposition, Christian Research Journal is to be congratulated on the turnaround. It now sees the biblical basis of what's involved and is coming to see spiritual things local church people speak about despite all the opponent-spread confusion.

Simple test for your own church

Here's a simple test for whether your own church leader is still blinded - ask him/her about it. The local church proponents don't have an organizational name - that's the whole point. But one way to identify them is to mention their leading advocate, a Chinese man named Witness Lee (deceased).

The politic response to local churches is they're a cult or at least an aberrant lot. But the principal organization that fed the "aberrant" label, the Christian Research Journal, now officially admits "we were wrong".

It's December 2009 issue states the simple truth: "It's about the recovery of the 'local ground' as the biblical basis for organizing a church. The LC (the journal's tag for local church proponents) believes this to be perhaps the greatest contribution their movement has to make to the larger body of Christ." The journal said this in Part 4 of its detailed self-correction. (Get PDF copy.)

Do not talk about all those doctrines

Substantiating what the local church is about, the Christian Research Journal's "We Were Wrong" quoted Witness Lee (circa 1980): "Do not ask what kind of baptism others have had. Do not talk about all those doctrines. They have all been redeemed by the same blood; therefore, they all have the same life within. We are all one in this all-inclusive faith.

"Today there are many different backgrounds of the saints. Some have a Presbyterian background, some have a Baptist background, and some have other kinds of background. But regardless of the background, if they are saved, they all have the same faith, for they all believe in the same Lord Jesus Christ.

"As long as they are saints who are not sinful according to 1 Corinthians 5, we must recognize all of them as dear brothers and sisters."

26
Vote
   


God became man so man would become God

January 16th 2010 15:58
Regarding this idea as a heresy, 70 Christian scholars recently petitioned the proponents to desist from preaching it. There was a truly amazing outcome after the proponents’ response.


In the December 2009 issue of "Christian Research Journal" representatives of the petitioning scholars confirmed they were wrong in their arguments against the idea.

This means the idea was theologically tested true! Orble readers can hear it for themselves in a podcast:
1. Browse to www.equip.org
2. Click on the "Bible Answer Man" link near the top of the page and then on "Broadcasts"
3. Click on the "Christian Research Journal" Link on the left side, with the date of January 5
4. Left-click on "MP3 download" to stream the broadcast, or right-click the link to download the MP3 file.

Carrying the good news to Orble community

Some local Christians in Sydney decided this week to tell Orble readers the news here in http://religion.orble.com/ via Big Cat's column in www.Chatterpillar.net, inviting further comments after this initial response of one (in italics) talking with me (Big Cat).

I’ve always said God is The true King.
That’s right. The universe was created by the oneness that has always been, outside of time as we know it. This oneness has a head or centre in which there have always been three Persons (non proper-noun capitalization reserved for such members). Adam was created as the first man outside of the Godhead, with an eternal plan to bring mankind into the oneness through the intervention in history by Christ.

Okay. So when the true King brought forth Adam, He regarded Adam as a son, right? I mean, this isn’t His first born, but His second, right?
Go on.

His first ‘son’ is Emmanuel, however, as far as anyone can remember, they’ve always been together. Both are for the most part exactly the same. The only way you can tell them apart is that Emmanuel treats his Father the true King with great reverence and respect due a father, and the true King gives over to Emmanuel everything as his firstborn son.
Let’s relate this. For many people, the name “God” refers to whomever/whatever is perceived to be in spiritual control. But in Truth there is only one oneness, headed by the God-head. Recognizing the Person sent to bridge mankind into the oneness, Christians call Him “Christ”. But many are unsure whether this refers to just the Son or all three Persons in the God-head.

Well, let me continue. As with Emmanuel, The true King shared his life with Adam. The true King and his new son are essentially of and in the same spirit; the child Adam shares in the life of his father.
There is much confusion over the detail of God’s plan which sent the Son for God to become man, so that mankind could come into the oneness or, put precisely, become God in life and nature but not in the Godhead.

Orble readers are invited to continue the dialogue by appending comments in the usual way.
24
Vote
   


Intrepid 3: The sad Charismatic

October 4th 2007 04:47
Sad at so many friends leaving


Big Cat's third go at finding the Spirit came after Scientology did its engram-seeking thing, only to find all the confessing apparently didn't impress the Holy Spirit, who he still couldn't find.

The Charismatic Christian movement* interested me because of its impressive growth in members attracted away from mainstream Christian denominations over the very thing that concerned me - finding the Holy Spirit.

The Charismatic church I checked out one Sunday in 1992 was carrying out an induction of about 100 defectors mostly from the Baptist Church. I went along and enrolled in not just one but two of the 14 weekday meetings set up for the men in this new influx. I wanted to learn quickly.

The influx roughly trebled the congregation to almost 400. But unfortunately for me and the other new members, it failed in our hope of seeing the Spirit.

The first sign that the Charismatic influx wasn't going to stick around came when attendance almost immediately fell off at the men's meetings. Within a few months the 14 weekday meetings were down to four.

Why? Because most of the men couldn't get excited about reading the Bible as much as the meetings required. They found it a very hard book to read and were impatient about seeing the Holy Spirit show up.

To the majority, men and women alike, the Spirit simply didn't show up. By about a year later half of the Charismatic newcomers were gone.

Many of the Charismatic influx defected to the local big Pentecostal church that has the same attraction for Christians as Sydney's famous Hillsong further west. (Both are mega churches in the mainstream of church growth today.)

I stuck at being a member of the Charismatic church but the departure of all my new friends made at the mens meetings made me very sad.

However, imagine my joy when overseas preachers began coming to the church in the third year, telling about a phenomenon in North America where the Holy Spirit was "indeed showing up". But that's another story worthy of another in the Intrepid series sometime later.

Helpful links:
A typical Charismatic church mission statement, including "we fully expect the Holy Spirit to equip and empower us."
114
Vote
   


Abuse and crime: Big Cat journeys from his "truth" closer to real truth. About bad conscience, learning from Scientology and (next) Christianity.


[ Click here to read more ]
190
Vote
   


Highly evocative Dr Who end

September 23rd 2007 06:30
Tardis
Dr Who's Tardis

Last night's ABC showing of the final in the present series of Dr Who was highly evocative emotionally and even spiritually. No wonder it has a cult-like following of avid supporters. Even older, mildly avid viewers like me get excited enough to want to write about it.

[ Click here to read more ]
126
Vote
   



Big Cat became the intrepid reporter after the Dalai Lama recently admitted publicly that he didn't know the meaning of life.

[ Click here to read more ]
189
Vote
   


Ruins of ancient Mayan civilisation

Enthusiasm for quests can produce cult-like followings, like "The Da Vinci Code" did and "The Celestine Prophesy" (TCP) which I reviewed last year.

[ Click here to read more ]
123
Vote
   


"Tired of the www treadmill?
Here's good news for every 'PCer' tired of the www's perpetual treadmill of gaining knowledge. There's a mainframe that transcends with 'Reality' what the world wide web can only give by virtual reality. And connection with the mainframe is available now.

Every PCer already has a 'connecting file'. But it resides out of the PCer's reach in the 'mainframe recycle bin'. It can, however, be restored


[ Click here to read more ]
190
Vote
   


Moderated by Big Cat
Copyright © 2006 2007 2008 On Topic Media PTY LTD. All Rights Reserved. Design by Vimu.com.
On Topic Media ZPages: Sydney |  Melbourne |  Brisbane |  London |  Birmingham |  Leeds     [ Advertise ] [ Contact Us ] [ Privacy Policy ]